to do it in the environment of these big gun shows, which are basically a giant gun shop with many dealers real hi doesn't add anything to it. as police chief johnson said, it takes a minute or two to go through the background check. the second thing is that the whole point of the exercise is that it keeps the criminal from coming in and buying guns. so when mr. lapierre says, well, you know, this is no good because criminals won't subject themselves to a background check, that's precisely the point. >> sure. what was the feeling in the room from you and your colleagues after hearing gabby giffords speak today? how much of an impact do you think she had? >> i think she had a real impact. i think the other moment of real impact was when her husband, captain kelly, talked about the child at gabrielle giffords' shooting who was killed by the 13th bullet, and pointed out that if the shooter hadn't had that high capacity magazine, before he got to that 13th bullet, he would have had to reload. and that shooting came to an end when the shooter had to reload. so the moment when you have 20 stop f